Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, everyone. I'm Jane.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: I'm Kitten.
[00:00:02] Speaker A: As you know, my name is Pat. It's that time again. It's time for another episode of the Kinky Christian Podcast.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: And away we go.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: Rock and roll, right?
Okay. With that, welcome back.
You have found us once again, the Kinky Christian Podcast.
I don't know if you intentionally found us or if you were just surfing the web and found us, but here we are.
I'm your host, Pat.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: I'm Kitten.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Co host.
[00:00:43] Speaker B: Co host. Okay.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: And my wife and lovely kitten.
So we are going to continue our series with biblical sex in Leviticus. I know the last episode we did on this was kind of rough for a lot of people. And we just want everyone to know that we hold no judgment on anyone. You have to live your life how you want to live your life. And your relationship with God is your relationship with God.
That is. First and foremost, we do our best to follow the Bible because we do believe that that is God's inspired word. And we do not judge. We do not hold anything against anyone because we are all sinners.
Sexual sin is just another sin.
Again, it is all about love for us, you know, so we are going to dive right in and just a forewarning. I don't want to cause any more trauma than we already have out there, but we will be dealing with.
Oh, you okay?
[00:02:05] Speaker B: I'm okay.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: We are going to be dealing with some of the same topics we dealt with in the last episode about Leviticus and biblical sects, but it goes a little deeper. We're going to learn a little more about that. But first, Clarion, before we jump into that, we have a couple other verses that kind of. For some odd reason, I don't really understand why, but they kind of stuck this in and then went back to this other stuff. It's kind of weird, but that's what the Bible does a lot.
So we're going to go to Leviticus 19 and read you a couple verses from there that we found on sex. Do you want to read these, Kit?
[00:03:00] Speaker B: I can read them.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: You sure? Because your throat's kind of sore.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I know.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: If you want to do those two. And I can do this so long.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I think.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. You do what you can and then we'll go from there.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Okay. If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man, but not. Has been. Wait. But who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment, yet they are not to be put to death because she had not been freed. The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: So apparently, if you sleep with a slave who is promised to someone else.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: But who isn't, who hasn't been freed yet.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Correct.
That's a no bueno. But at least you don't die, which, that seems to be a common thing back then.
If you blow your nose on Tuesday after 7:00 at night, you must be put to death.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: I swear, that's about how it feels.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: So this one, at least.
It's bad you shouldn't do it. But there's got to be a punishment, consequences for your actions. That's what we always tell our kids. Consequences for your actions. So this one, you just got to sacrifice a ram as a guilt offering.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: So not too bad. Yeah, back then. Now, I mean, we all know Christ came and paid the price. So at least we're not having to sacrifice rams anymore because I don't have any.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: No, I don't have any either.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: And you don't let us get farm animals out here.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: No.
[00:04:41] Speaker A: So, all right, after that we go to Leviticus 19:29.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness.
Yet you don't make your daughter a prostitute or your wife shall behead you.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Right. That's death.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: That's death.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: It doesn't say it in the Bible, but trust me, that would be death. If you pimp your daughters out.
The wife, yeah. It'll be bad for everybody involved that you're going to have a bad day.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: Yes, you're going to have a very bad day.
[00:05:20] Speaker A: You're going to have a bad day. So, I mean, that seems like common sense to me. You know, the odd thing is, back then common sense was not so common in appearance. I mean, I wasn't alive back then, but it appears that for God to have to lay this out in that detailed of a fashion, we must have been some pretty ignorant or just, I don't know, a blatant disregard for a lot. A lot, you know, humans and. And just humanity. I mean, that just. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
[00:06:04] Speaker B: No bueno.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: No bueno. Okay, so those two were quick and easy. We got them out of the way.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: Next one's a big honker.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's not going to be pretty.
So this next set of verses, it's Leviticus 20:10, 21 goes back to what we talked about in our last episode about Leviticus with your Sexual don'ts, you know?
However, this, now, it's going to rehash everything we did. So please, again, don't hate us. Yes, we believe in this, but we do not judge anyone for what they do. This is our personal beliefs and how we choose to live our lives.
And we sin just like everyone else does. So we try to offer up the same mercy and grace and forgiveness that we would like to have offered to us.
But this is going to deal with all that and the punishments for these actions.
So if you missed our last episode on Leviticus and you don't want to go back and rewatch it, which I highly recommend you do just because we're cool like that, but this is going to rehash a lot of that. So I'll start, I'll probably finish, and we'll go from there.
And I'm sure kitten will interject along the way.
So if a man commits adultery with another man's wife, with the wife of his neighbor, I mean, does it have to be the neighbor?
[00:07:52] Speaker B: I mean, according to this, it, it does. So as long as it's not your neighbor, hey, you're safe, apparently.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not saying that, but it says with another man's wife, with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. So, I mean, sounds like adultery is a serious, serious offense. Serious offense. You know, like blowing your nose on Tuesday after five.
[00:08:19] Speaker B: Yep. Don't do it.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: Don't do it.
If a man has sexual relations with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death. Their blood will be on their own heads.
So again, don't bang your mom or your stepmom or anything like that. Which I guess in turn that means don't bang your son or your stepson, right?
[00:08:50] Speaker B: Well, you would think so, I think. I'm sure it's in here.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Well, I'm just saying by if a guy can't have sex. Yeah, I mean, because that means he did it and they're both going to be put to death. So A plus B equals C.
I would agree.
All right. If a man has sexual relations with his daughter in law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion. Their blood will be on their own heads.
So even daughter in law's.
If a man has sexual relations with a man, as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be Put to death, their blood will be on their own heads. So again, man on man is not okay. Is not okay. It is detestable.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked.
Both he and they must be burned in the fire so that no wickedness will be among you. Now, that's taking it to the extreme.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. That's one heck of a way to die.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the way it says it, it's almost like it's trying to root out a disease.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: We're gonna, you know, burn this bacteria so it's, you know, so the wickedness will not be among us. I mean, it doesn't say they shall be put to death. It says they must be burned in the fire.
[00:10:26] Speaker B: Ouch.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: I'll give you an ouch. Yes. Yeah, That'll leave a mark.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: That'll leave a mark.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: So, I mean, that.
That's pretty severe for marrying a woman and her mom.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And they don't say how the other people die. They. Well, yet.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: They just say they'll be put to death and the blood will be on their own heads.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: So. All right. If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death and you must kill the animal.
See now, poor animal. Yeah. Because that's like, the animal, I'm sure, didn't consent to it.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: No, I would imagine that, you know.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: But you gotta kill the animal, too.
That's. That's.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: At least you'll get a meal.
[00:11:13] Speaker A: A meal.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: They didn't let anything go to waste.
[00:11:17] Speaker A: They sure. Well, you could not. I mean, food was. You couldn't go down to the local grocery store, you know.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: You ate what you killed.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal, they are to be put to death. Their blood.
How is their blood going to be on their own heads?
Again, it's not like this animal is saying, oh, yeah, I know. Sign me up. Poor thing, you know, Poor little goat, you know?
But again, I do want to point out something, and again, I'm not trying to place guilt or shame anywhere, but this is very detailed. It still never says anything about a woman laying with another woman.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: Not yet.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: You know what I mean? We still have not hit that.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Nope.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: So I. I just.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: Mother and daughter and.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Right. Family.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Family.
[00:12:21] Speaker A: You can't do family.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: No family.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: Which makes sense because, I mean.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Yeah, your family.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: You see what happens with the gene pool when that happens, you know.
[00:12:31] Speaker B: True.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother and they have sexual relations. It is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and would be held responsible. Now, I need to kind of pause on that one, because how's a man going to marry his sister if it's detestable? Who's going to actually perform? Yeah. Who's going to marry them?
[00:13:03] Speaker B: Yep. Unless they go, like, out of their. Their community and lie about it or something about it.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: That's true. I didn't think about that.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: I mean, that's the only way I can picture.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: But then it also says that, you.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: Know, at least they don't die.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: Well, but, I mean, you're dishonored.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: And you're removed from your people.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: You don't die.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: I mean, I guess that's good. Do you get to stay married?
[00:13:40] Speaker B: I doubt it.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Well, who's gonna say anything if they removed you from the people.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: If they're like, get out. Yeah, I guess you can do what you want.
But you notice how they add in there if he marries and has sexual. And they have sexual relations.
Well, if you marry someone, I would think you're gonna have sexual relations.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah, normally we did what.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: Don't be telling people that.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: It's a secret.
So, I mean, again, they get very detailed in this for. For whatever reason, you know, I.
Yeah, I don't know. And he says he has dishonored his sister. You notice the man causes a lot of the problems here.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: This is what I always say.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: The men cause the problems.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: That's why the women have to take care of everything, you know, keep you in line.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: You're correct. I ain't gonna argue that.
That is a true story. People listen to me when I tell you they say behind every man is a great woman holding the strings.
You know, if a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, I think.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: Yep. He exposes it.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: I think that's kind of.
And she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: Right.
For having sex with a woman on her period.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: But it doesn't say, like, how wrong it is. It just says they're to be cut off from their people.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: Yep. You're not going to die.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: You're not going to die. You're not going to, you know, be unclean till dawn. You just get cut off from your people.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Right. But before they said that you had to do all that clean Business.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: So they said they would be unclean.
[00:16:00] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: Yep. Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative. Both of you would be held responsible.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: That'd be your aunt. Your aunts, your aunties.
[00:16:18] Speaker A: Your aunties.
Which makes sense.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: Yes. Cause that's family.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: That is family.
And you don't want to be. Like I said, the gene pool gets thin in some places. And if a man has sexual relations with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle.
They will be held responsible for they will die childless.
So God will make sure.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: That the ant does not have any children.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Exactly.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity. He has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
So there is a lot of punishments going on here.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: A few.
[00:17:16] Speaker A: A few.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:17] Speaker A: Not all of them are death.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Just a few.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, I mean, they get real detailed in what you shouldn't do.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Some of them seem a little ridiculous.
[00:17:28] Speaker A: Well, some of them, I mean, to me, seem a little extreme for the. Okay, if I have sex with you on your period, I'm gonna get cut off from my people.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:38] Speaker A: Who's my. Nowadays? I mean, we don't really have people.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: No, not anymore.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: We don't. We don't live in groups the way they did back then.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, it just. It gets a little extreme.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: Yep, yep, I agree.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: Now, all that being said to kind of bring it back around to what this podcast is about.
You've heard what God says is wrong sexually, right?
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: So if that's what's wrong sexually, anytime, in my opinion, going forward, if they talk about sexual immorality, it must be biblical. Sexual immorality. Correct.
[00:18:26] Speaker B: Or biblical sin.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: So as of right now, we see what is biblically a sin and sexually immoral.
It's been laid out to us twice right up till now.
What's that tell you?
[00:18:44] Speaker B: You can beat your wife.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: You can beat your wife, you can flog her. You know, it's got to be consensual. Let's make sure you understand.
But, yes, outside of this sexually immoral and the rules that God has just placed in front of us, have fun, right?
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: I mean, it leaves things pretty wide open when you stop and look at it.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: You know, God doesn't restrict us to.
And I'm trying to think of how to put this. I know what I want to say, but I can't think of how to put it, like, within the relationship.
He doesn't restrict us to what we can do. If you look at most of this, I mean, we can't have sex when you're on your period, which we don't anyway.
But when you look at it, that's really the only thing within a relationship.
Everything else is who you have the relationship with.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: You know?
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: And.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: And donkeys are not it.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Donkeys are definitely a no go.
So any. Enjoy sex with your spouse. You know, have fun with it. You know, spankings are great, right?
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yes, sir.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: I mean, some hair pulling does wonders.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Pouring hot wax on nipples.
There is nothing that says we cannot have fun and do bdsm because there's nothing so far. And we're going through this in detail, people. If you can add something and find something that you want to throw our way up until this point, do it. Because, you know, I'm not saying I didn't miss something. I was trying to be as thorough as possible. I thought I was overdoing it. Some of these are just kind of weird little things.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Some of them are very obscure.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: But if it dealt with a relationship or with sex.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Right. I wanted to pull it.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I wanted to pull it. It may not.
So we are allowed to do these things?
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Yes, we are.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Until I read, you know, like I said, I've read the Bible. This is my third or fourth time through it.
I never went through it with this intent to discover this. I've always just read it and let it speak to me for what it was.
But going through it with this intent to try to find something specific, this is my first time doing that.
And as of right now, this is what I got.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: That's what we got.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: This is what we got. So if your significant other. Now we keep saying, oh, it's okay to spank your wife and it's okay to pull her hair.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: Only if it's consensual.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Correct. It's got to be consensual. But don't forget, it is also okay to do the flip.
Don't forget that if the woman wants to be dominant in the bedroom like.
[00:22:09] Speaker B: That, that's okay, too.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: That's okay, too. There is nothing wrong with the husband being the submissive.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: So far, we've not seen anything that says that.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: No, I mean, the only thing in the Bible that says anything about the man being dominant is. And it's not even really dominant. He's to be the spiritual leader of the house. He is to lead the household.
And that's fine because when you get into it, it's Meant to be led as a team, you know, so that's fine. There is nothing saying that the man can't get his butt whipped just as much as the woman can get her butt whipped. Unless this man says no. This man does not like.
I'm not a big fan of.
I mean, I tried the stuff on myself to make sure I know how hard I'm hitting and what it feels like, but that's about as far as I go. I used to let her, like, try it out on me until she lit me up one time and I. I had second thoughts and thought better of that. So I tried to do it on my own.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Whoopsies.
I didn't mean to.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: I know you didn't.
You sure laughed like you did.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: But dragon tails are stingy.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: They are. I will guarantee that they are very stingy.
So, anyway, you now have, up until this point, the framework that God has sent set.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: He sent it, too.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: He sent it. Yeah. You have the framework God has set for sexual relationships. Now in Leviticus, there's a lot more to deal with the rest of our lives and what we should and should not do. But that's not what this podcast is about. About. We're just dealing with the sexual aspect of it all and relationship aspect of all. Now, another thing I'd like to point out, I saw nothing in there about premarital sex or sex outside of marriage. And when I say outside of marriage, I mean, if you are not a married person, it doesn't say, at least.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: You'Re not going to someone who's been promised.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah, don't go to someone who's been promised. Don't go to family members. Don't go to prostitutes.
And we did have one verse a few episodes back that said, if you sleep with a woman who is promised and is a virgin, you've got to pay the dowry.
That was. I forget. That was a while ago.
But it's not saying that it is a sin.
Like, let's say I die and you're flying solo and you find someone else who's single and don't want to get married. It doesn't say it's a sin for you guys to hook up.
So far, we have not found that. Now, later, who knows? And so I'm not telling anyone to run right out and sleep around.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: No, that's not the point here.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: That's not the point. I'm just saying, so far, I've not seen anything that says, oh, you can't have sex until you get married.
It does talk about you know, wanting the woman to be a virgin and this, that and the other. But there's nothing solid that I can remember saying that you can't do it.
If I'm misremembering, please let me know because I want to make sure that we don't. Yeah. That we don't lead someone astray.
So that was another. Another fun episode, you know. Sorry, you tired? She's been sick.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: So that's why we're a little slow getting these out as we've had some health problems, but we won't go into that.
But hopefully next episode we're going to try to get back to some more of the kink and sex aspect of things. I realize we've been getting more biblical based and we want to make sure we have a balance of that because we don't want to, like, hold one above the other because we feel that.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: The Bible and kink are okay.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah, they're equally as important, you know, because a healthy sex life makes for a healthy marriage, you know, healthy relationship.
So we're going to try to get back. We got part two, what we want to talk about with the Internet and how that's affected people. People nowadays. So join us then.
But I think this one's been. This horse has been beat to death long enough.
And I think kitten needs some dinner and a nap.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Yes, sir.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: Dinner and bedtime.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yes, master. That is.
[00:27:33] Speaker A: That would be a correct statement.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: That would be a correct statement.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: So until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and God bless.
