Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, everyone. I'm Jane.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: I'm Kitten.
[00:00:02] Speaker A: As you know, my name is Pat. It's that time again. It's time for another episode of the Kinky Christian Podcast.
Here we are again, talking about some more kinky sex.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: Kind of.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: Kind of. Well, the thing is. Oh, by the way, welcome.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: Hi.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: We're here again. I'm Pat.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: I'm Kitten.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: And so, you know, we've been running this podcast for, like, two years now, believe it or not.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:00:39] Speaker A: I know.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: I don't believe it.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: I know. But it's been, like, almost two years.
Almost.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Almost.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: Almost two years. It's probably two years time, but we've missed a few episodes because things got in the way. So we probably don't have quite two years worth of episodes. But that was our studio cat that just decided he was gonna attack a guitar and failed miserably. And he's staring at the guitar like it's the guitar's fault.
So, anyway, that's funny. We. I would say we squirrel a lot, but this was a cat. We cat a lot.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: We can't.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: So, you know, we started this, as I said, almost two years ago, and the point was to share kink and Christianity and what God says about it. And should we be doing it in the eyes of God? Right.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: That was the intention.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: That was the intent. We were going to do our best to share everything, share what we know, share stuff about kink and bdsm, power exchange, life experiences, marriage.
But there's another side to this that we have intentionally not touched until now.
That.
Because it gets kind of messy when we deal with this. And that's not, should we do it in the eyes of God? But can we do it according to the law?
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Because in reality, no.
What we're doing is illegal, plain and simple. What we're doing is abuse in the.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: Eyes of the law.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: In the eyes of the law.
And a lot. Here's. Here's the weird thing is a lot of people think that, oh, well, you know, 50 shades of gray, that was a movie. It was out, and they didn't get arrested. And these books are out, and they don't, you know, no one's getting stopped. Well, I mean, that doesn't quite mean anything because you got books about drug dealers and movies about murdering. It's all fantasy.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: So, yes, there are books about it. There are movies about it, but in reality, this is considered domestic violence.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: So according to the law, if you are beating somebody for whatever reason, that's.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Battery, and they can take you to jail.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: And in most places, they will take you to jail. Because a lot of states have that.
I don't know what they call it, or it's mandatory that if they come to a domestic dispute, it's mandatory that somebody's going to jail.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: Yep. A person.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: And whether.
Whether, you know, you say no, this was all consensual.
I want him to do that. I told him they're still going to take me to jail.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Now people are thinking, oh, that's stupid. That, you know, if I tell them no. Well, if you got it, think about it.
A lot of battered people, women, men, will say no. Don't take them to jail because they're abused, and they don't want to be more abused later. So they. And some of them are, like, have this weird sense of commitment and relationship where that's the norm to them. And they don't. Even though they don't like the abuse, they love the person.
[00:04:28] Speaker B: Right. Well, and then there's also the fear of retaliation. The fear of it's going to get worse once they get out of jail. Okay. Yeah, they're going to go to jail. That's going to be, what, 24 hours. They're going to get out and they're going to come back and I'm going to get punished even worse.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah. For letting them go to jail.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So I understand where the law is coming from as far as making it just across the board illegal. I get that. I understand that, and I'm not mad about it. I don't think it's stupid.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: There are states, though, that it's not illegal. And there's more and more states that are pushing for this.
MPC 213, section 10. It's a defense of explicit consent.
That is the name of the document in.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Florida or Georgia.
We took a class on this at Kinky College one time, and there was this very, very smart attorney who's into bdsm, and she was either from Florida or Georgia.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: I think she was from Georgia, but she was very southern states, very adamant. Her name is Sarah Steele, and she gave this BDSM and the law, and she was very, very forthcoming with what we are doing is illegal and some ways to protect yourself as much as possible. Right. Like, one of the key things that we see not only in 50 shades, but in some of the books that we read is contracts.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: And, you know, that's not just in that. There's a lot of people out there that tell, you have a contract.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Have a contract. Yeah, well, you have a contract now you're putting it in writing that you're.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: You're going to get beat.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: That you're going to get beat.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: So now that's evidence.
So she is very much on the side of no contract or.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: There are a lot of people who like it. And I. I really liked her idea on this. She's like, if you need to make a contract, write it up, sign it both, read it both, look at it, make sure it's good, and burn it.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: Yep, burn it, Burn it.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Get rid of it. After it's been agreed upon, signed, and everyone's good with it. Get rid of it, burn it, destroy it, whatever you got to do.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Because some people like the ceremony of it.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:13] Speaker B: You know, the whole.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: And she understood that.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: So. So she was very adamant. Do not have any kind of evidence laying around that, you know, videos of, you know, videos.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: Pictures.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Pictures. She said the pictures you got, you. You can. Pictures are kind of protected with the artwork. So, I mean, a picture of, like, someone tied up or something. But if you're taking pictures of the bruises and stuff that marks that are left, she's like, that's the ones you don't want to keep.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Yep. That's the ones that you're going to be in trouble.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: But if you're, like, doing shibari or, you know, just sexual pictures, they are protected to some aspect by the freedom of speech and copyrights and all that. But the videos, she's. She was like, no go. Don't really do the videos. And if you got pictures of marks that are left or anything like that, get rid of them.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: So there is a website out there that we want to direct everyone to.
It's called the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom. Ncsf. The link has always been down below.
Check that out. Because we're not trying to abolish the laws.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: No.
[00:08:35] Speaker A: We're trying to educate the lawmakers and the law enforcement to understand that, yes, we need you to protect against domestic violence, and we need to have those things in place.
But we also need to understand that there's another side to this where they really are telling the truth. When they said, I consented to this, I wanted this.
That's what we're trying to do. So we joined the ncsf. We donate to help fight these things and get laws in place that understand that part of the lifestyle. So, I mean, it's so bad that when we go on vacation, we like to take toys with us.
And you stay at a hotel.
I have to go out into the hallway of the hotel.
And have her hit herself with the different implements that we took with us to see if I can hear it in the hallway. Because if someone reports it that they hear someone getting beat in there, again.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: Someone'S going to jail.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Someone's going to jail in a state you don't live in.
So.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: So yeah, it's, it's, it really is that serious. We chuckle about it, we giggle about it. But if you're going somewhere, going to another state, make sure that you are aware of is that state, you know, does it have kink friendly laws? Which ones do they have? Which ones don't they have? And this NCSF will help you do that.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah. They'll also lead you to.
I'm pretty sure that they're on there. I'm having a complete brain to.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: Like kink friendly attorneys.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: Thank you.
Kink friendly attorneys. Kink friendly doctors. Kink friendly.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: Oh, doctors. That's a whole nother.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a whole nother thing. Because they can report too.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: They're mandated to report.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: Well, you are correct. They are mandated to report.
Any psychology, you know, psychiatrists, therapists, they're all mandated.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: Yep. So if you.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Did you ever hit.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: When you don't talk to him, we're doing.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: Oh, he's looking. So I didn't know if he like forgot to hit.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Producer came over and was checking things out. She gets sidetracked so easily.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they do have listings. They. And they can get you to, you know, professionals in. In most areas that are king friendly.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's another KAP professionals.org that's K like kitten AP professionals.org I think they also have a list of kink friendly professionals that you can go to for whatever that you need.
[00:11:43] Speaker A: So yeah, just be careful out there. Understand that what we do the legal system has not caught up to.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Nope.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: This part of the lifestyle yet.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: No.
Another thing that she said. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: No, you're fine.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: So it's the Fourth Amendment search rights. They can search your home, they can search your friend's home, they can search your hotel room and they can search private clubs. So when or if the police come and start knocking on your door, you need to say, I don't consent to search three times. And then apparently they can't search without a warrant. Without a warrant.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:35] Speaker B: So they'll have to come back with a warrant. But that was another key thing that she said that really kind of.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Hit home with us.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Yeah. She was really, really smart.
[00:12:48] Speaker B: Yeah, well, she's a lawyer, so she better be.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: But just understand, there is a thing in place where they are trying to educate law, and it's not that lawmakers are against it. A lot of them don't understand it, you know, so you got to educate them, and that's what the NCFS does.
[00:13:10] Speaker B: Yes. And you may have actually seen them. If you've been to kinky college, if you've been to any of any other kink conventions.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: They're everywhere.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: Yep. If you've seen them, you know, stop by, talk to them, get information. They're pretty knowledgeable people.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, all that being said, don't stop what you're doing if it's consensual on both your parts or multiple parts, whatever.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Valid.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: But be aware that legally, it is considered abuse.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Scary.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: It is.
[00:13:51] Speaker B: But here we are.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: It's just the way of the world. Things are improving.
[00:14:00] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:14:00] Speaker A: But this is where we are.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I think she said there's, like, 13 states currently that are king friendly.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And more coming.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: More coming.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And this was two years ago. Two years ago when we went to this class.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: So I'm sure by now there's. There's more happening, but. Yeah. So I highly recommend joining the ncfs.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: Help, you know, help with the education, you know, getting the word out and protecting people, protecting yourselves, protecting our lifestyles.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:42] Speaker A: So I think that's all we got to say on this one.
[00:14:45] Speaker B: I think so.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: I'm sure more will come up later. Oh, I'm sure we'll share it with you as we go.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: As soon as we get more information, I'm sure we'll share it.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
Until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and God bless.
